Due to the astronomical ammount of criticism our all time favorite league is under at the moment, i have created this thread hoping that people will post some genuine replies to help improve the league asap. I dont want the see anymore teams drop out this league.
In the past few seasons there seems to be to many dates clashing.

1, Can the season the week after Yarmouth ?
Any players wanting to enter the world champs etc need to be at Yarmouth on the Thursday, alot of team mates will also go down on the Thursday. Most of the top teams cancel the first game before the season has even started.

2, Number of cancelled games.
If we stick to (1) then you could reduce this & allow teams to rearrange one game only, everyone wants there best player available when you play the top teams, but nowdays it beyond a joke, if one player is missing the team wants to cancel !!!

3, Check dates for the cup final.
Cup final often clashes with Yarmouth or other competitions. Does Geoff Wilson still hand out EPA calendars ?

4, Publish date of finals day before competitions start.
Every season there are players that cant make finals day due to holidays, if the date is published at the start (& dont change) then we should get less of this.

Lets help get this league back to how it used to be  
Comments please  

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Slim Jim wrote : Due to the astronomical ammount of criticism our all time favorite league is under at the moment, i have created this thread hoping that people will post some genuine replies to help improve the league asap. I dont want the see anymore teams drop out this league. In the past few seasons there seems to be to many dates clashing. 1, Can the season the week after Yarmouth ? Any players wanting to enter the world champs etc need to be at Yarmouth on the Thursday, alot of team mates will also go down on the Thursday. Most of the top teams cancel the first game before the season has even started. 2, Number of cancelled games. If we stick to (1) then you could reduce this & allow teams to rearrange one game only, everyone wants there best player available when you play the top teams, but nowdays it beyond a joke, if one player is missing the team wants to cancel !!! 3, Check dates for the cup final. Cup final often clashes with Yarmouth or other competitions. Does Geoff Wilson still hand out EPA calendars ? 4, Publish date of finals day before competitions start. Every season there are players that cant make finals day due to holidays, if the date is published at the start (& dont change) then we should get less of this. Lets help get this league back to how it used to be   Comments please

Point 1.
This was mentioned in the last meeting, the fixtures secretary is trying to rotate the league seasons to line up with a big rock in wiltshire. (other leagues actually) Yarmouth always gives us this problem - will raise it again.

Point 2.
Yup I think we will be back to one game this season, and a 0.5 point penalty was mooted for the first over the one, and maybe 1 or 2 for subsequent cancellations, but this has to be discussed in more detail. Feedback for this please ppl...

Point 3
Had major problems getting a date for the final, clashing with other leagues, comps etc. It would be nice if there was a calendar for all Notts Pool including major tournaments... any volounteers?
I run a few comps and its a nightmare going on all websites and searching for dates, almost impossible to please everyone.

Point 4.
Excellent point, will put it forward. It's normally done straight away by Mark and John, but again it nearly always gets moved because of clashes with something or other.

All excellent points Jim. I know john is going to be more pro-active getting the calendar back to his usual standard.

Keep em coming chaps...    

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I think a "super task force" of Gaz Sherwood,Brinks,Tantric and Steve Hill (also Cory Whyler if  required) could sort out most of the pool calendar issues, a bit of careful planning and consideration goes a long way and stops critiscism of the leagues.
The 3/4 leagues could work closer together
I know Notts and District stand alone in size of members etc but the other 3 are pretty much equal nowadays.

Point 2 is good and providing Point 1 is sorted amicably only allowing one cancellation each team would stop the griping.

Cup finals etc should take preference over comps and a good idea is to take the money up front - it stops people dropping out !!

Al Gregory

Totally agree with point 1 and 2 slim Jim as far too many canceled games by the big boys last season.

Personally and for Spot on the finals day issue has no relevance so couldnt care less as we aint getting there lol

Other points to consider or laugh at :-

1/ scrap the current doubles and try out scotch doubles. Much better and I think improves both the enjoyment and banter when you f*ck the shot for your team mate.

2/ It seams like most local pub sides ( the ones the league needs back ) want to play old EPA ( hit a cusion ) rules. How about trying to entice them back with division 2( to start with ).

3/ Now one that will get pooh poohed Im sure. There is a massive difference in class between the top 5/6 and the rest of the leagues. One quick and easy way to make it more competative would be to cap the number of current England/County players playing in a single match. The big boys can sign as many as they like for yarmouth etc but for match nights only a handfull can play. This would 1/ give everyone else a chance 2/ possibly force the players that just want to play pool, to look for other teams, therefore possibly creating more teams for the league. If not then there would spread themselves around more creating better teams all round.

Im pretty sure only one of these would ever hapen but hey ho.

Yes Paul and at least 3 county players must sign for the Royal Oak, any takers lol

Good luck with that one Al lol

as any one thought about

3 points for a win

witch means a draw is more costly i brought that one up last season.

and as any one thought about ex change studants nights ie eire out lee howitt for the night  and give them ur wrose player lol we got 1st tabs  

on a more suriours note

this may seem silly but maybe some one can tweek this idea

scarpping the draw doing a wild card GAME at the end of the game where the away team picks ur player and the home team picks the away teams player  and u play out to the win even if that players played twice or not this would make some great banter and some excitement to the end of the game any thoughts

sounds silly but good be fun

Fun idea but doesn't improve anything, also how many teams only have a couple of players left at the end of the night.
3 point for a win I do agree with though and should be implimented as takes no organising.

172 people have looked at this so far and only 4 have an opinion ... strange when everyone seems to want to slag the league and individuals off but cant put forward ideas.

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PaulI wrote : 172 people have looked at this so far and only 4 have an opinion ... strange when everyone seems to want to slag the league and individuals off but cant put forward ideas.

No point mate, done it before and no listens.
I guarantee you the league and format will be exactly the same next season!

your not moaning are you Justin ? there is a new section for that .. please adhere to it !!!

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PaulI wrote : 172 people have looked at this so far and only 4 have an opinion ... strange when everyone seems to want to slag the league and individuals off but cant put forward ideas.

Good question why 4 people have a opinion. I don't know how many time I have lost count to Committee finding way to improve the Notts open league. It going in one ear out other side of ear. I'm not only one. It happen to lot of player given opinion. That why in the last 2 years lot of team drop out or move to other league cos nothing happen same old story. So I'm not going put in my opinion cos I do believe it will be same story all over again. So why bother. Only person I can see in the committee are trying to do his best is Chairman. But still need lot of work and to hear player and get vote of player not what committee want. But again lot of player just can't be bother to support it. That is really sad. It really need every player to support it to make this league great again.  

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I think people are losing the point of this thread!!

The league format is fine. It's the organisation skills that need sorting, so to a Calender of events so people know where and what is happening on what dates (before the season starts not half way through or near the end) so people can make sure there not away on finals day etc...and can enter the comps with no hidden surprises. Also all rules should be stated on your website and then addressed to acordingly, no changing. I think too many people on Thursday's get bye's which should be the last resort in my opinion.

thats how much notice people take, i put a calendar on the comps web page at the start of last season with all the dates on but people still moan lmfao

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mpf790 wrote : thats how much notice people take, i put a calendar on the comps web page at the start of last season with all the dates on but people still moan lmfao

Yes but the web page is a bit of a joke to navigate sometimes and half of the stuff on there is either old information or impossible to find.

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The Touch wrote : I think people are losing the point of this thread!! The league format is fine. It's the organisation skills that need sorting, so to a Calender of events so people know where and what is happening on what dates (before the season starts not half way through or near the end) so people can make sure there not away on finals day etc...and can enter the comps with no hidden surprises. Also all rules should be stated on your website and then addressed to acordingly, no changing. I think too many people on Thursday's get bye's which should be the last resort in my opinion.

Jimmy in your opinion the format is fine, but obviously from other peoples view on here the format isn't fine.
I don't see anything wrong with people posting their opinions about the league. Obviously something isn't quite right, otherwise all the teams wouldn't be dropping out.
Maybe listening to some of the views from teams that have dropped out might help the commitee try and do something about the league in general.
P.S i'm not moaning, i'm not that fussed either way to be honest, i'll still play in it whatever they do, but it would be nice to think the league actually listen to the views of their players and try to implement some of their suggestions sometimes. Rather than doing the same thing every year but with less teams each time.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mpf790/    Follow this link you telling me its hard to get arround

I must admit that is the 1st time I have seen this Calender and I did have to look for it!! But If that has been there all season then I apologise Mark but why on the drop down menu is there still a calender link with the old Calender on it? This is where I bet every person who looks for the calender goes too!! If you are changing the site then delete that link!! It's confusing poeple I think Mark.

1. Three points for a win and one point a draw makes sense.

2. Try and avoid NOPPL fixtures clashing with Yarmouth, Super League etc. There is not a lot the Committee can do about the one day Comps run outside of the EPA, but certainly the EPA and Tour events do not have to clash.

3. Don't agree with limiting teams to the amount of International Tour or County players they may have per team. This in my opinion would be a backward step. Most of these players have played in the same teams for many years. Even if you could only play 3 County players per game, but could sign on as many as you wish, this could cause big problems for the Captains trying to get all of the players in their side playing a minimum of 50% of league games, which is the minimum required to qualify for Yarmouth etc. The NOPPL have always sent very strong sides to Champs of Champs and it would be a shame if these sides were diluted.

4.  Bring back old EPA rules for teams outside Prem 1. I think this is a must. This gives players choice and where possible, no forced promotion up into Prem 1. If teams don't want to play World Rules.

5.  Find new ways of attracting teams outside of Prem 1. These teams are the backbone of any league and the reintroduction of old EPA rules should go a long way to boosting the number of teams outside Prem 1.

6.  Website. Update the NOPPL website fully at the first opportunity. I know John has a busy week with work and a family to care for, but do your best mate.

7.  Finals day was a great day out for me this year and I don't care if it does go on all day. However, some players don't want to be there all day. For next seasons Finals day, you could look at having both a morning and an afternoon session. This may help reduce the amount of time players are sitting around.

8. The Forum may be a pain in the the backside sometimes for Committee memebers and even myself with the County A team, but it is here and players like to voice their opinions on it. Even if we are seven stone dickheads LOL. On the County forum I always like to try and reply the best way I can and try and answer any queries directed at the County set up. Why don't the NOPPL nominate a Forum spokesperson to try and address any issues that may be posted on the Forum? I personally would like to see Dave Peel take on this role. I had a chat with him at Finals day and he is very easy to get along with, has a vast knowledge of how the NOPPL is run and has a great deal of respect from players.

9. Being flexible. If the league can try and be as flexible as they can with the problems that arise throughout the season, this will always go a long way to keeping teams and players happy and maybe avoid some of the unnecessary confrontation between players and the committee and I know you have made a big step in this direction already.

10. League rules, competition rules and standing orders. May I suggest these are posted on the forum on the rules section for all to view at the start of each season. This may help to stop confusion on a lot of issues directed at the committee.

11.  Complaints procedure. The complaints procedure the committee would like the players to adopt. The downside of any written procedure is that not everyone is comfortable with putting their issue in writing.
Minutes from committee meetings could also be posted each month and maybe suggestions  taken from players on items for the agenda.

12. Communication between players and the committee is the most important thing of all. If the players and committee members can communicate effectively then problems can be solved without bad feelings exploding on the Forum. This starts a chain reaction where the players and the committee show each other respect and teams don't leave the NOPPL. The league then starts to appeal to other teams and the NOPPL will grow and thrive once more.

13.  Committee members. I think all committee members of the NOPPL are trying their very best in what is a difficult time for the league. I think all of them, yes even Mark (maybe a little more tactful tho' mate LOL) are trying their best to promote the league for us and they do have things in the pipeline. Any of my posts directed at the committee are not intended to give any of you a bad time but to push for change in the hope our league can flourish again.  

14. Cancelling games I think only two games per season per team should be allowed by the NOPPL. However the second cancellation should only be allowed if the said team can give another date for the match to be played in order for their cancellation request to be accepted. No alternative date no cancellation. I think every effort should be made to avoid deducting points from teams. This is a sure way to once again create bad feelings.

Just a few of my opinions to ponder on and don't forget you did ask for them.  

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Thanks to all, some very interesting points made, I will recommend that the committee have a meeting next week to discuss them all.  Keep sending them in the more the merrier.