From the meeting on Mon 21st Sep, many ideas were considered from the recent Forum postings and suggestions made directly to committee members etc.

Each suggestion was discussed and debated for their merits and potential impact. Obviously, wholesale changes wouldn't make sense, but a number of alterations have been made for this season and the stronger suggestions taken on board. A number of others ideas being kept on the radar for potentially phasing in over time in order to strengthen your league going forward.

I'd ask that everyone please give these changes a chance. Let's not have a mass of negative feedback. The meeting on Monday was open to all teams so there was the opportunity for any discussion and further debate to have been presented there and then.

The committee put a lot of personal time into making this league work and will continue to do so. So please give these revisions time to see if they work. Many other actions have been taken on board by committee members to improve communication and engagement with the teams that support your league, so hopefully you should notice a general improvement going forward anyway.

Fixtures will be published shortly, but I'm pleased to say we do have an increase in teams from last season, so let's take this as a first positive and build on this.

I've attached a link to the key changes for the season. This is also available on the front page of the web site.

http://server2.web-mania.com/users/nottspoo/svno/NOPPL%20Changes%20for%202009-10%20vers%201.doc

The season start date has been put back to Thu 8th Oct by popular demand, so let's look forward to the new season and good luck to all sides.

I don't want to put a downer on your efforts but basically for Prem 1 teams nothing has changed really has it.
It's the same format, the 5 min rule between frames is pretty much what teams were doing anyway but at least it is being enforced now, doing the draw for competitions in advance is a bad thing i think personally but i guess that will help out some players.
None of this really helps the fact that teams struggle to get players each week, personally i think you should have done the Prem 2 format for both divisions, it doesn't make sense that they are different.
Anyway in an attempt to come across as positive, at least you are looking at changes and trying to do something, and it's good to see there are more teams this year. I'll look forward to get whupped week in week out at Spot especially if we are still in Prem 1?!
A for effort
E for conviction  
Cheers.

I don't want to put a downer on your efforts but basically for Prem 1 teams nothing has changed really has it.
It's the same format, the 5 min rule between frames is pretty much what teams were doing anyway but at least it is being enforced now, doing the draw for competitions in advance is a bad thing i think personally but i guess that will help out some players.
None of this really helps the fact that teams struggle to get players each week, personally i think you should have done the Prem 2 format for both divisions, it doesn't make sense that they are different.
Anyway in an attempt to come across as positive, at least you are looking at changes and trying to do something, and it's good to see there are more teams this year. I'll look forward to get whupped week in week out at Spot especially if we are still in Prem 1?!
A for effort
E for conviction  
Cheers.

nice job would of liked 3 points for a win but good job anyway

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toobigtohandle wrote : nice job would of liked 3 points for a win but good job anyway

This one was discussed at length. The majority thought on this was a draw would be seen as points lost by both teams and attract negative feedback. The really strong sides would be likely to benefit more, causing even more grumblings of elitism against the very top sides. We also looked at how the leagues would have been affected had this been the rule last season and realised it would not have changed any of the league honours.

Football brought in 3 points for a win to encourage attacking play and more goals. This doesn't really fit with a fixed number of frames in a match, so based on all the above, this idea didn't make it through I'm afraid.

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Marsbar wrote : I don't want to put a downer on your efforts but basically for Prem 1 teams nothing has changed really has it. It's the same format, the 5 min rule between frames is pretty much what teams were doing anyway but at least it is being enforced now, doing the draw for competitions in advance is a bad thing i think personally but i guess that will help out some players. None of this really helps the fact that teams struggle to get players each week, personally i think you should have done the Prem 2 format for both divisions, it doesn't make sense that they are different. Anyway in an attempt to come across as positive, at least you are looking at changes and trying to do something, and it's good to see there are more teams this year. I'll look forward to get whupped week in week out at Spot especially if we are still in Prem 1?! A for effort E for conviction   Cheers.

Oh Dear!
Your team was the ONLY team in the top flight that couldn’t raise a team every week and wanted to reduce the number of players.
You were relegated to Division Two on merit.
We have changed Prem 2 as a trial to 7 players.
Ironically your team asked to be kept in Prem 1 if possible so you could attract players. So we put you back in Prem 1 when Loz sent you a player or two.
Prem 2 is there as an option for teams that can’t compete or don’t want to.
I think we have been more than fair Justin.
A+ for flexibility

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beestongaz wrote :   Oh Dear! Your team was the ONLY team in the top flight that couldn’t raise a team every week and wanted to reduce the number of players. You were relegated to Division Two on merit. We have changed Prem 2 as a trial to 7 players. Ironically your team asked to be kept in Prem 1 if possible so you could attract players. So we put you back in Prem 1 when Loz sent you a player or two. Prem 2 is there as an option for teams that can’t compete or don’t want to. I think we have been more than fair Justin. A+ for flexibility

Why change 7 players to premier 2 and not premier 1?
Why didn't you sort it out before sent out entry form for new winter season?

Now you going to course problem for Captain and Secretary in premier 2 who sign up more than 10 player. There will be big arguement in coming season when player don't get pick or not play every week.

Good for Premier 1 But really bad for premier 2 already sign up more than 10 player for NOPPL  

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micope wrote : Why change 7 players to premier 2 and not premier 1? Why didn't you sort it out before sent out entry form for new winter season?

"The format of the Premier  1 league will remain unchanged with 9 singles and 3 doubles legs, however the Premier 2 league will be reduced to 7 singles and 3 doubles legs"

Now I know I'm a bit dense, but it looks to me like you can use a max of 15 players in Prem 1 and a max of 13 players in Prem 2. Where's your problem?

Well doen to the league for at least trying to change things for the better. I agree that wholesale changes cannot be made as will disrupt things too much.
The main problem I see is that with only 7 players needed in Prem 2 ( which was an absolute must ), what happens when they get promoted and then we are back to square one again with teams dropping out after a few games leaving Prem 1 short !!

Would it not have made sense to have 1 format across all leagues?

C&ADPL do the same thing and the teams that come up ( Balfour ) struggle. They then request to go back down again when they lose a few players. This different format has to be thought through BEFORE the end of this season as could be causing more problems for you boys this time next season.

I know there is no point what so ever moaning about this as will not change and I for one look forward to the new season and getting whooped again lol

u didnt need to explain mate i was not having a go  

i would personally would of liked it
but im not the whole league



plus u have used one of my ideal in the comps


so well done for trying

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beestongaz wrote :   Oh Dear! Your team was the ONLY team in the top flight that couldn’t raise a team every week and wanted to reduce the number of players. You were relegated to Division Two on merit. We have changed Prem 2 as a trial to 7 players. Ironically your team asked to be kept in Prem 1 if possible so you could attract players. So we put you back in Prem 1 when Loz sent you a player or two. Prem 2 is there as an option for teams that can’t compete or don’t want to. I think we have been more than fair Justin. A+ for flexibility

I'm not going to knock you for trying.
Hopefully we'll be able to get enough players for each match this year, would have been nice to have had the option to only have 7 players though, we probably could have got a few more points last year if we had a bit more flexibility on player numbers.
What Paul said about Prem 2 teams coming up and not having enough players, may be a problem.

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TC wrote :   "The format of the Premier  1 league will remain unchanged with 9 singles and 3 doubles legs, however the Premier 2 league will be reduced to 7 singles and 3 doubles legs" Now I know I'm a bit dense, but it looks to me like you can use a max of 15 players in Prem 1 and a max of 13 players in Prem 2. Where's your problem?

Thanks Tim... I thought I was losing it for a minute there!

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Marsbar wrote :   I'm not going to knock you for trying. Hopefully we'll be able to get enough players for each match this year, would have been nice to have had the option to only have 7 players though, we probably could have got a few more points last year if we had a bit more flexibility on player numbers. What Paul said about Prem 2 teams coming up and not having enough players, may be a problem.

Yup agree Justin, but there were too many in the top flight that didn't want to change.

General thoughts are that if the promoted team don't want to or cant raise enough players they can stay in prem Two.

It is a trial really in Prem Two, and if demand sees fit, nobody has said it won't be broujght in to Prem one eventually.

Even Sherwood Social/Lady Bay in Prem Two wanted it kept the same. that is 9 and 3.
Can't please everyone.  

well i didn want a diff formet as we struggled abit last season now we moved we got more players 4 two teams lol

just about right lol

What I trying to point out is. If they knew this problem before. Why didn't they sort it out 2 month ago to bring down to 7 player before sent out to all team entry form instead sent out 2 week ago then made decision last night. When few team in premier 2 have already sign up more than 10 player.

You have to remember why Premier 2 down to 10 frame. When the last 2 season that premier 1 had a team drop out. Where in premier 2 team none.

If was not for master drop out. There would have 2 team in premier 1 would have not got full 9 player.

It would have been better for the league to have all premier down to 10 frames. so in premier 2 team got promoted to premier 1. I don't agree that if they having get enough players. They can stay down in premier 2.

I say it a bad decision for NOPPL. A rush job again.  

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micope wrote : I say it a bad decision for NOPPL. A rush job again.

It was anything but a rush job.

Feedback has been sought over the forum for the past month or so.

Mondays meeting went ahead to consider many options put forward. The meeting was open for teams to send representation to join the discussions and help with the decision making. That meeting was the oppotunity for anyone to air their views and have a say in the decision making process.

I appreciate much of the feedback is positive on here so far, but for the minority now putting opinions over which question the changes...

Why now?

and why didn't you attend the meeting on Monday?

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WildAngus wrote :   It was anything but a rush job. Feedback has been sought over the forum for the past month or so. Mondays meeting went ahead to consider many options put forward. The meeting was open for teams to send representation to join the discussions and help with the decision making. That meeting was the oppotunity for anyone to air their views and have a say in the decision making process. I appreciate much of the feedback is positive on here so far, but for the minority now putting opinions over which question the changes... Why now? and why didn't you attend the meeting on Monday?

Why didn't committe make it on Sunday when it was cancel last minute? I would be there. cos I was free on that day. Monday I was not. Already arramge 2 month ago. That why I was not there.  

to be fair

the committee are going to get stick if they kept it at 9 singles or changed it to what they have now

they would also of got stick if they did nothing

not just by one person but by most of us on here

there in a no win no fee in all honesty

why dont if the committee dont mind let some people join the committe and hopefully that will show how much work they put in

sorry if iam speaking out of line again

At the end of the day as long as no teams drop out from prem 1 due to a lack of playes then it seems the commitee would have got it right      however to grow the league for next season and encourage new teams back from the non super 7s the format in all leagues needs ajusting. just my opinion and case closed and no point arguing about it any more.

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toobigtohandle wrote : to be fair the committee are going to get stick if they kept it at 9 singles or changed it to what they have now they would also of got stick if they did nothing not just by one person but by most of us on here there in a no win no fee in all honesty why dont if the committee dont mind let some people join the committe and hopefully that will show how much work they put in sorry if iam speaking out of line again

speak out of line again and you will be writing lines on the blackboard !!!