Guys
Any idea what the qualifying criteria will be for retaining players, ie % won + loyalty points etc in the current squads, so it can give trialists an idea of how many places in the "squad" they may be competing for?
I believe that this criteria should be known by the current players also, so they understand what they need to do and that they need to turn up as often as possible too to help their points tally. I firmly believe this will help performance and enable the squad to be even stronger moving forward.
Regards, Tg

mmmm I wonder if nffc is going to have an opinion about this thread... yawn

you raise a valid point mr Guru i shall consult pk etc and see what they think. (might even speak to John lol)
i do think maybe we shouldnt take so many as to destroy team morale because this season for instance its took about 3 matches for people to start getting behind one another and a real team spirit to be present. (i am not suggesting we only take one player on a year !) think last year everyone above 50% was retained.

you do raise many valid points so in my opinion you should be part of next years selection commitee.

I agree TG has massive experience, his 2 8-ballers are testament to his dogged determination... and stuff!

Unfortunately so many good ideas which have already been discussed several times.If circumstances were straight forward no probs.For instance 11 B team players achieve 95% we can't move them all up.If 11 A team players get 25% do we move them all down?Whats to say the best in the B team are better than the worst players in the A team.All good points but so hard so bring a system that will suit everyone.If anyone has such a foolproof system Pm one of the county officials,we don't want the rest of the world finding out about it do we.

Personally agree with TG. There should be a guideline for all players within the county squad A and B. If the target of 66% say is not reached then they have to retrial.

Suggestion from me..

Nottinghamshires Got Talent.

Pick 3 gudges...Players that have been respected in the game within Nottingham for many years.....

Tony Guy - Respected by everybody. Gary Sherwood - Straight talking. Geoff Wilson - Chairman of the EPA. ( And straight talking )

These gudges attend the trials and pick the squads instead of the county captains and manager at the end....

These select players from the day to play A and B team, having been there seen the play and final tables....

What do you think ????

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the guru wrote :   would still be better to have some criteria that forms the basic starting point which everyone is aware of at the start and during a season, nice to know what your targets are. As you are aware with the criteria for England selection. You know before the season commences that 50% retrial and 50% of the squad are retained, this encourages most of the top players to play well, attend as many games as possible and want to qualify for England. I am all for bettering the county squad. I am surprised that the EPA don`t have any guidelines on any trial format & criteria for the Counties. Might be worth finding out what Leicester & Staffs do, although i do appreciate they have several pro`s and Internationals which helps establish and bring the rest of the squad up. Are you suggesting that no matter what an A squad member achieves they won`t be moved down? or retrialled at a later stage?. What if all the B squad finish with 50% or more - does that mean you will have 40 odd trialist but potentially no spaces for them to fill? Many of the potential triallists would indeed be disappointed if they achieved 50% in the B team and would expect to have to retrial if they achieved less than that. There should have been a couple more retrialled last year and hence a couple more slots available. I certainly don`t think it should be left til after the season finishes and then a line drawn wherever you so choose. Any criteria for selection & trials should be transparent and fair to all and can be adjusted/amended to make better and fairer to all, which hopefully will increase the strength of the whole county squad.

First of all I would like to point out that we don't have to have trials at all and we only set up trials to fill any vacant spaces. We could fill any vacant places by simply scouting for players, so please don't assume that there will be trials every year. There may be times when we don't set up trials. This is not league pool where anyone can just sign up. We are looking for the best possible players in Notts to play County pool. Trust me, anyone who does not deserve to be playing County pool, will not get in by the back door. Those days are long gone. You talk about using a system. Well John set up a system that let everyone know exactly where they were all through the season and at what point any player would have to retrial. The players did not like it, the Captains were not big fans of it, but on paper it was a great system. Would I want a team player that has a 50% average going into the B team? No, I would fight tooth and nail to keep them in the A team. A 50% average in the A team is a very respectful average. All the Management team get together regularly to try and iron out problems and try out new ideas. I know you may think you have come up with a few, but we have ran through all of them 18 months ago.  

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Lee wrote : Personally agree with TG. There should be a guideline for all players within the county squad A and B. If the target of 66% say is not reached then they have to retrial. Suggestion from me.. Nottinghamshires Got Talent. Pick 3 gudges...Players that have been respected in the game within Nottingham for many years..... Tony Guy - Respected by everybody. Gary Sherwood - Straight talking. Geoff Wilson - Chairman of the EPA. ( And straight talking ) These gudges attend the trials and pick the squads instead of the county captains and manager at the end.... These select players from the day to play A and B team, having been there seen the play and final tables.... What do you think ????

Yes Lee, Tony and Gary are both respected by everyone, but they are both not a part of the County set up and the last time I spoke to Gary he did not want to be.
As for Gary, Tony or anyone else for that matter coming to County trials picking players that I will have to Captain all season? Don't think so. Part of my job as Team Captain is to build the squad to the highest standard possible and we now have a great team. And, before anyone says it, yes we know we are not getting the results, but we are working on it.

So, if you can suggest any player not playing County pool that is the standard of anyone in the A team, I will bet you I have asked them to attend trials.

not been asked yet Pat lol

Team selection for Staffs A team(best 11 players there on the day as seen by the captain).Leics A team (12 or 13 best players as seen by the captain).Derby a A team (wild cards galore),their trials allowed 2 trialists into the B team squad.The trials were brought back to help a deteorating A team.Pat has restored the A team by himself.All the trials have done is upset what was a strong B team squad.England selection is set to a standard formula,this has lost players like Jason Twist,Phil Harrison,Carl Morris,Darren Appleton,Rob Chilton but to name a few.The system doesn't make it right.5 of the top players in the world are not in the England team.Nottinghamshire plays pool at a decent level but are in a tough region.What ever ideas you come up with we are still behind Staffs,Leics and Derby.This stems back from having little or no places for kids to play.This problem has improved slightly but will take 10 or 15 years to catch up.

[cit]Lee wrote : Personally agree with TG. There should be a guideline for all players within the county squad A and B. If the target of 66% say is not reached then they have to retrial.

Suggestion from me..

Nottinghamshires Got Talent.

Pick 3 gudges...Players that have been respected in the game within Nottingham for many years.....

Respected players make the best JUDGES! If this was the case why hasn't Simon Cowell tapped up Gary Lineker to do Britains Got Talent? ( no disrespect to the players mentioned)but can you see what i am saying.This is a good thread which is good for brainstorming.Anyone not having a brain do not feel offended and join in.Trevvv
are we sleeping ?  

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The trials to be fair are a good idea. These need to be held every year to keep the A / B team players on there toes. No offence to Pat/Ron/Liam/John, but one days trials does not mean that whoever finishes top of the mini league they are in, or makes it through to the afternoon session are any better than the players that finished 3rd or 4th in there groups.

Why not have have a look at the Interleague averages, this is the best players from the best leagues against each other.

Below is the 2008 interleague averages, have a look at where some of the current county players are, this backs up my point about those 3rd and 4th place players. If you had at the end of the season 3 lots of averages( Interleague - NOPPL -Supreme ) there will be players there that don't play county but have proved that they can mix it with the best in Nottingham.


Nottinghamshire Interleague 2008

Player Averages Final Standings


PLAYER TEAM P W L AVERAGE
Wayne Parsonage Sun Valley 10 10 0 100.00%
Andy Hind Cherry Tree 12 11 1 91.66%
Dale Mayes Cherry Tree 12 10 2 83.33%
Brian Robinson Cherry Tree 11 9 2 81.81%
Dave Wainwright Calverton & Arnold 16 13 3 81.25%
Steve Hotchkiss Sun Valley 10 8 2 80.00%
Joe Etherington Calverton & Arnold 14 11 3 78.57%
Robert Titchener Chesterfield 18 14 4 77.77%
Dave Atherley Sun Valley 9 7 2 77.77%
Martin Lovett Calverton & Arnold 16 12 4 75.00%
Clint I'anson Sun Valley 12 9 3 75.00%
Shaun Wilson Chesterfield 18 13 5 72.22%
Andy Mousham Gainsborough 10 7 3 70.00%
Lee Thorpe Notts & District 13 9 4 69.23%
Steve Wilson Chesterfield 18 12 6 66.66%
Matt Coates Notts & District 18 12 6 66.66%
Geoff Wilson Hucknall 15 10 5 66.66%
Adam Foyster Chesterfield 12 8 4 66.66%
Dean Howitt Cherry Tree 9 6 3 66.66%
Gary Blackshaw Calverton & Arnold 9 6 3 66.66%
Jordan Johnson Chesterfield 9 6 3 66.66%
Andy Leese Calverton & Arnold 14 9 5 64.28%
Corey Blackshaw Cherry Tree 14 9 5 64.28%
Dean Watts Chesterfield 13 8 5 61.53%
Tony Wyatt Cherry Tree 13 8 5 61.53%
Malc Marriott Notts & District 15 9 6 60.00%
Duncan Hooton Vale of Belvoir 15 9 6 60.00%
Steve Finnegan Chesterfield 10 6 4 60.00%
Bob Snell Chesterfield 12 7 5 58.33%
Leon Hill Cherry Tree 12 7 5 58.33%
Matt Brooks-Porter Notts & District 12 7 5 58.33%
Andy Hurd Cherry Tree 12 7 5 58.33%
Wayne Mayes Calverton & Arnold 16 9 7 56.25%
Jon Ledgard Calverton & Arnold 9 5 4 55.55%
Bill Rigby Sun Valley 11 6 5 54.54%
Matthew Cunnington Vale of Belvoir 13 7 6 53.84%
Garry Sherwood Calverton & Arnold 16 8 8 50.00%
Greg Crowson Notts & District 14 7 7 50.00%
Brian Gennoe Chesterfield 14 7 7 50.00%
Brett Parsley Ollerton 14 7 7 50.00%
John Brinkworth Cherry Tree 12 6 6 50.00%
Tara Jackson Hucknall 12 6 6 50.00%
Paul Lockwood Gainsborough 10 5 5 50.00%
Craig Bland Gainsborough 10 5 5 50.00%
James Hallam Calverton & Arnold 10 5 5 50.00%
Olly Brooks Cherry Tree 10 5 5 50.00%
Matt Tugby Notts & District 10 5 5 50.00%
Stephen Lally Eastwood & District 10 5 5 50.00%
Stef Kendall Vale of Belvoir 17 8 9 47.05%
Colin Wilson Notts & District 13 6 7 46.15%
Martyn Rawson Notts & District 13 6 7 46.15%
Dave Buckley Ollerton 11 5 6 45.45%
Jim Ianson Sun Valley 9 4 5 44.44%
Andy Wilson Ollerton 14 6 8 42.85%
Al Shaw Hucknall 14 6 8 42.85%
Lee Theakstone Eastwood & District 12 5 7 41.66%
Lee Mason Notts & District 12 5 7 41.66%



Just a suggestion....  

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as i look in from afar ,can i give  my opinion,trials are very good if done correct.firstly make a fair target for getting retained e.g 75%.if a A team player achieves this target he should be knocking on the door for england trials thus deserving to be retained in the A TEAM .by everyone needing to reach 75%,this will automatically get players making sure of their frames when given a chance.on the flip side of the coin you could scrap the system(there isnt a structured a and b side. it is seen as one full squad to the epa officials)and you could just take what is seen as the best 2 teams and play the appropriate players on the day,with the knowledge that if you lose 2 from 2 you may well be subbed,however your captains need to be good at man management because as i experienced in the past you wont please everyone .however my systems results count for themselves, 6 sunvalley premier titles on the spin,4 cup doubles in there,and the only county manager to get the mens A team B team and ladies all to yarmouth for county finals. the reason for success is down to one thing.i had in every team TEAM SPIRIT.get the players believing in themselves, not comparing themselves against eachother.we NEVER lost to derby and very rarely lost to leicster. so come on notts believe in yourselves because you really dont realise how good you all are and until you do you wont WIN,good luck for the rest of the season from NZ miss you all

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kiwis r us wrote : as i look in from afar ,can i give  my opinion,trials are very good if done correct.firstly make a fair target for getting retained e.g 75%.if a A team player achieves this target he should be knocking on the door for england trials thus deserving to be retained in the A TEAM .by everyone needing to reach 75%,this will automatically get players making sure of their frames when given a chance.on the flip side of the coin you could scrap the system(there isnt a structured a and b side. it is seen as one full squad to the epa officials)and you could just take what is seen as the best 2 teams and play the appropriate players on the day,with the knowledge that if you lose 2 from 2 you may well be subbed,however your captains need to be good at man management because as i experienced in the past you wont please everyone .however my systems results count for themselves, 6 sunvalley premier titles on the spin,4 cup doubles in there,and the only county manager to get the mens A team B team and ladies all to yarmouth for county finals. the reason for success is down to one thing.i had in every team TEAM SPIRIT.get the players believing in themselves, not comparing themselves against eachother.we NEVER lost to derby and very rarely lost to leicster. so come on notts believe in yourselves because you really dont realise how good you all are and until you do you wont WIN,good luck for the rest of the season from NZ miss you all

Now come on Kiwis r us, surely you can't expect anyone to respect your opinion unless we know who the f*c* you are!!